CCS Network

[gpsman]

Why nothing along I-80 in Wyoming?

That is like building a 100 foot long bridge and leaving 10 feet missing from the middle.

I-80 is the only coast-to-coast highway connecting the Pacific Ocean at San Francisco, to the Atlantic at New York City.

I know Wyoming is sparsely populated, but that section is heavily used for freight traffic and coast-to-coast travel. Why not connect the dots just for bragging rights on our Nation’s longest highway?

 

[SparkE]

Because it isn't needed. Use the more southern route (you have to go south to get to SF anyways). Also, less of a problem during winter travel (one would hope). And they are prob counting on people using it - not just the coast-to-coast folks - so put the network where there are more people all the time.

my guesses.

 

[gpsman]

Because it isn't needed. Use the more southern route (you have to go south to get to SF anyways). Also, less of a problem during winter travel (one would hope). And they are prob counting on people using it - not just the coast-to-coast folks - so put the network where there are more people all the time.

my guesses.

^^^
Spoken from someone who has never done it.
You are incorrect on distance, time, and ease of the drive. Wyoming has gentle grades and lower mountain passes. Colorado has very steep grades, a longer route, and over 10,000 ft elevation gain.

From someone who has made the trip several dozen times (not in an EV) I-80 is the most direct route from Chicago and points east to San Fransisco.

It is the most desired route for many.

 

[SparkE]

Because it isn't needed. Use the more southern route (you have to go south to get to SF anyways). Also, less of a problem during winter travel (one would hope). And they are prob counting on people using it - not just the coast-to-coast folks - so put the network where there are more people all the time.

my guesses.

^^^
Spoken from someone who has never done it.
You are incorrect on distance, time, and ease of the drive. Wyoming has gentle grades and lower mountain passes. Colorado has very steep grades, a longer route, and over 10,000 ft elevation gain.

From someone who has made the trip several dozen times (not in an EV) I-80 is the most direct route from Chicago and points east to San Fransisco.

It is the most desired route for many.

You are incorrect on distance, time, and ease of the drive

I never said it was easier nor did I say it was shorter, nor did I say it was faster to take the southern route. I said :
- you have to go south to get to SF anyways
- less of a problem during winter travel (one would hope)
- they are prob counting on people using it - not just the coast-to-coast folks - so put the network where there are more people all the time

All of which is true.

I will add that *I* believe that the early routes should be put in place to benefit the MOST people, not EVERYBODY with an EV. So, a path through Denver (pop of city is over 600,000) instead of thru Wyoming (pop of ENTIRE STATE is under 600,000). The area around Denver (city + surrounding counties) is about 3 million. To me it's a no-brainer. Looking at that map, apparently this plan makes every major city (over 100,000) in the area (N-W U.S.) on the way west will be reachable by a Bolt, except Fargo and Billings.

Personally, if they had to choose ONE "northern most" route, I think they chose the right one (the one that would benefit the most people). The sheep in the Dakotas and Montana really don't drive EVs.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

Remember that this is just the first part of a 3-part plan. The first 18 months out of 5 years. This is just to get the major infrastructure where it is needed. The remaining two parts will be to beef up where the usage is heavy and to fill in any holes that become apparant. I can't wait to start seeing these chargers appear in the wild!

 

[winterescape]

Electrify America has produced a much more detailed map of their plans. This is the network they plan to roll out by the end of June 2019. That's only 15.5 months away. It seems highly ambitious, but within the realm of possibilities. All dots will have at least 4 stations, each supporting both CCS and CHAdeMO with at least 150kW of power.

https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/10/secret-highway-ultra-fast-dc-charging-map-revealed/

Great article, I am glad to see the increased map detail, thanks for this thread and linking some great information.

 

[LeftieBiker]

They've left the whole Adirondack Park unserviced. One station at, say, Glens Falls would allow gen II EV drivers to get to Montreal, Whiteface Mountain, Lake Placid...and I-87 North is heavily traveled, too.

 

[SparkE]

They've left the whole Adirondack Park unserviced. One station at, say, Glens Falls would allow gen II EV drivers to get to Montreal, Whiteface Mountain, Lake Placid...and I-87 North is heavily traveled, too.

Hopefully someone besides Electrify America will fill in that hole. Who knows - maybe it will be EVgo.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

They've left the whole Adirondack Park unserviced. One station at, say, Glens Falls would allow gen II EV drivers to get to Montreal, Whiteface Mountain, Lake Placid...and I-87 North is heavily traveled, too.

Agreed. Glens Falls would be a great location. Also somewhere in the park like Lake Placid or Saranac Lake would be a great central location for people on vacation.

Keep in mind that this map only shows their plan through June 2019. There is another 3 years or so of future investment after that - they just don't know where yet. You can make recommendations, though, through their website.

And as others have said, there are other networks out there. I seem to recall a map with the northway (I-87 from Albany to the Quebec border, for those not local) highlighted as a future route for electrification.

 

[LeftieBiker]

The state is building some kind of RV / Recreational park near Queensbury, and it will have some sort of EV charging stations. I just don't know if it will be QC, and kind of doubt it...

 

[Dgodfrey]

Within 2 years there should be CCS DCFCs all across the U.S. thanks to VW ("electrify America"), Ionity and EVgo. That's the beauty of using standards instead of a proprietary charging system - you can let others do the work and your customers reap the benefits. You (the car manufacturer) don't have to spend the money - you get to use every CCS "standard" charger out there.

Thank goodness Volkswagen got caught. Can you imagine how long it would have been before the first Coast to Coast trip in a non-Tesla would happen.

 

[winterescape]

In NY the Governor restated the announcement of early last year, that all Thruway travel plazas would get DC fast chargers
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-42-million-expansion-high-speed-electric-vehicle-charging-stations

The only disappointing aspect of his recent announcement is that the implementation dates slipped again.

A video with the release, link at bottom of release page, reveals a slide with the next 9 locations for the stations, 2:13 in the video, capture attached.

Additionally, NY, along with 11 other states, bonded together to try to standardize and speed implementation of EV charging in general, with some detail as to recommendations for DC fast charging. http://www.nescaum.org/documents/northeast-regional-charging-strategy-2018.pdf


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[GetOffYourGas]

A video with the release, link at bottom of release page, reveals a slide with the next 9 locations for the stations, 2:13 in the video, capture attached.

I had completely missed that, thanks for pointing it out! The service plazas are actually intelligently chosen. This is a surprise for NYS. Still, I can't wait for the day that every service plaza has 4-6 150kW+ chargers. But for now at least I soon won't have to get off in Albany and hang out in a Hannaford's parking lot just to get home.

 

[NeilBlanchard]

Electrify America has produced a much more detailed map of their plans. This is the network they plan to roll out by the end of June 2019. That's only 15.5 months away. It seems highly ambitious, but within the realm of possibilities. All dots will have at least 4 stations, each supporting both CCS and CHAdeMO with at least 150kW of power.

https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/10/secret-highway-ultra-fast-dc-charging-map-revealed/

This is excellent news! I am looking forward to being able to use these. I hope that we can get real-time status while we are on the road, for these charging stations.

 

[winterescape]

In NY the Governor restated the announcement of early last year, that all Thruway travel plazas would get DC fast chargers
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-42-million-expansion-high-speed-electric-vehicle-charging-stations

The only disappointing aspect of his recent announcement is that the implementation dates slipped again.

A video with the release, link at bottom of release page, reveals a slide with the next 9 locations for the stations, 2:13 in the video, capture attached.

Additionally, NY, along with 11 other states, bonded together to try to standardize and speed implementation of EV charging in general, with some detail as to recommendations for DC fast charging. http://www.nescaum.org/documents/northeast-regional-charging-strategy-2018.pdf


Edit: Forum not allowing image attachments for me again...

NYS Thruway DC Level 3 Fast charger update. (7/1/18) The RFP went out in May and the contractor(s) to install the units will be selected July 31st. Once the contract(s) are awarded, the first phase is a "design phase" so installation will not start immediately, but groundbreaking is anticipated before years end

 

[paulgipe]

In NY the Governor restated the announcement of early last year, that all Thruway travel plazas would get DC fast chargers
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-42-million-expansion-high-speed-electric-vehicle-charging-stations

The only disappointing aspect of his recent announcement is that the implementation dates slipped again.

A video with the release, link at bottom of release page, reveals a slide with the next 9 locations for the stations, 2:13 in the video, capture attached.

Additionally, NY, along with 11 other states, bonded together to try to standardize and speed implementation of EV charging in general, with some detail as to recommendations for DC fast charging. http://www.nescaum.org/documents/northeast-regional-charging-strategy-2018.pdf


Edit: Forum not allowing image attachments for me again...

NYS Thruway DC Level 3 Fast charger update. (7/1/18) The RFP went out in May and the contractor(s) to install the units will be selected July 31st. Once the contract(s) are awarded, the first phase is a "design phase" so installation will not start immediately, but groundbreaking is anticipated before years end

If they stay on that schedule you're getting much faster results than here in California. Typically it's 3 years from program announcement. I think they have two years from contract award.

Paul

 

[GetOffYourGas]

In NY the Governor restated the announcement of early last year, that all Thruway travel plazas would get DC fast chargers
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-42-million-expansion-high-speed-electric-vehicle-charging-stations

The only disappointing aspect of his recent announcement is that the implementation dates slipped again.

A video with the release, link at bottom of release page, reveals a slide with the next 9 locations for the stations, 2:13 in the video, capture attached.

Additionally, NY, along with 11 other states, bonded together to try to standardize and speed implementation of EV charging in general, with some detail as to recommendations for DC fast charging. http://www.nescaum.org/documents/northeast-regional-charging-strategy-2018.pdf


Edit: Forum not allowing image attachments for me again...

NYS Thruway DC Level 3 Fast charger update. (7/1/18) The RFP went out in May and the contractor(s) to install the units will be selected July 31st. Once the contract(s) are awarded, the first phase is a "design phase" so installation will not start immediately, but groundbreaking is anticipated before years end

Well it looks like this winter I may be back to burning gas. Still, I'm glad that it's moving forward.

I really hope they don't install them like they have the first 4 chargers. Those are awkwardly out of the way, hard to find and not easily expanded on. NYS needs to get their heads in the game and start installing chargers like Tesla does superchargers - a row of spots which are easily found and accessed.

 

[leodoggie]

To highlight the absurdity of available ccs chargers today. On a recent trip I stopped to charge at the Santa Clarita mall on Newhall road, there are 2 50 kw chargers tucked away on the far eastern side of the parking lot. In the middle of the parking lot close to the shops and restaurants there are 24 Tesla fast chargers.

 

[winterescape]

For those interested in the Upstate NY DC fast charging infrastructure here is where we are at:

Couple of locations now open at welcome centers
Grand Island https://www.plugshare.com/location/161247
Southern Tier Welcome Center https://www.plugshare.com/location/131411

EA has opened one in Fredonia with another close behind in Buffalo
https://www.plugshare.com/location/163264
https://www.plugshare.com/location/166722

RG&E is working on one in Rochester
https://www.plugshare.com/location/170068

No sign of action yet from the state, several old PR announcements with commitments to install one at every thruway rest area
January 8, 2017 https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...rging-stations
May 8th 2018 https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...rging-stations

And just this week, Nov 19th, a more comprehensive NYPA press release detailing build out over the next 2 years.
https://www.nypa.gov/innovation/programs/evolveny

Let's hope that some of the dots on the newly published EVolve NY Map start to get populated soon...

 

[GetOffYourGas]

There is also the Adirondack welcome center on the Northway. I used it this weekend to visit family for Thanksgiving.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/165964

I don't know about NYPA's plans. I mean, I want to believe them, but they don't have good track record. Plus, their map lists every thruway rest stop as a given ("existing or planned") yet nothing has happened on the thruway in well over a year. If that maps does come to fruition by 2020, though, I will be very happy. Combined with EA's plans, I will be very well covered in my normal travels.