Latest Bolt sales numbers (June) are up slightly

[ScooterCT]

https://electrek.co/2017/07/03/gm-chevy-bolt-ev-sales-3/

I wish we could track Bolt sales by state. When you see national figures for the last month, you don't know how much of that is driven by that initial sales surge we've seen every time the Bolt enters a new market (pent up demand). For example, I'd love to see just CA sales figures back through Jan. Anybody know how to get figures state-by-state?

 

[SparkEVPilot]

https://electrek.co/2017/07/03/gm-chevy-bolt-ev-sales-3/

I wish we could track Bolt sales by state. When you see national figures for the last month, you don't know how much of that is driven by that initial sales surge we've seen every time the Bolt enters a new market (pent up demand). For example, I'd love to see just CA sales figures back through Jan. Anybody know how to get figures state-by-state?

It will interesting to see how Bolt sales go now that the Tesla Model 3 will start deliveries this month. Anyone ordering a Model 3 today can expect delivery in 2018. Bolts are already available for sale.

 

[oilerlord]

Some analysts had sales projections at 30,000 - 80,000 units for 2017. Any ideas what the hell happened? Is this all the Model 3's fault? It isn't like analysts didn't know that the Model 3 was coming...perhaps being first to the "affordable" 200 mile club isn't as important as building a car that people want to buy.

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-sales-prediction/

The Bolt was being touted as a "game changer". Clearly no game has been changed.

 

[SeanNelson]

Some analysts had sales projections at 30,000 - 80,000 units for 2017. Any ideas what the hell happened?

GM is leaving money on the table by not producing enough vehicles to meet demand in at least some markets. I don't know how widespread that problem is in the US, but it's certainly a huge factor in foreign sales.

 

[jhm614]

Some analysts had sales projections at 30,000 - 80,000 units for 2017. Any ideas what the hell happened? Is this all the Model 3's fault? It isn't like analysts didn't know that the Model 3 was coming...perhaps being first to the "affordable" 200 mile club isn't as important as building a car that people want to buy.

http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-sales-prediction/

The Bolt was being touted as a "game changer". Clearly no game has been changed.

I think a big part of this is the typical new model ramp up. The Bolt is just becoming available to order nation-wide. What did the first six month's of the first year's sales of the Prius, Volt and Leaf look like?

 

[alevek]

https://electrek.co/2017/07/03/gm-chevy-bolt-ev-sales-3/

I wish we could track Bolt sales by state. When you see national figures for the last month, you don't know how much of that is driven by that initial sales surge we've seen every time the Bolt enters a new market (pent up demand). For example, I'd love to see just CA sales figures back through Jan. Anybody know how to get figures state-by-state?

It will interesting to see how Bolt sales go now that the Tesla Model 3 will start deliveries this month. Anyone ordering a Model 3 today can expect delivery in 2018. Bolts are already available for sale.

Anyone ordering a Model 3 today can expect delivery in maybe 2020...

 

[oilerlord]

GM is leaving money on the table by not producing enough vehicles to meet demand in at least some markets. I don't know how widespread that problem is in the US, but it's certainly a huge factor in foreign sales.

It's not a production problem. On the contrary, GM is limiting their losses by restricting the number of Bolts they ship outside of CARB markets while inventory on dealer lots in CARB states continues to rise. Make no mistake, GM is producing just "enough" EV's - to keep truck and SUV sales flowing. The credits are everything. People that really believe that the Bolt isn't a compliance car are fooling themselves.

 

[dandrewk]

GM is leaving money on the table by not producing enough vehicles to meet demand in at least some markets. I don't know how widespread that problem is in the US, but it's certainly a huge factor in foreign sales.

It's not a production problem. On the contrary, GM is limiting their losses by restricting the number of Bolts they ship outside of CARB markets while inventory on dealer lots in CARB states continues to rise. Make no mistake, GM is producing just "enough" EV's - to keep truck and SUV sales flowing. The credits are everything. People that really believe that the Bolt isn't a compliance car are fooling themselves.

People who think the Bolt is a "compliance car" have zero understanding of the term or meaning of "compliance car".

As to the rest of your post - 100% speculation unless you can provide citations.

 

[GetOffYourGas]

People that really believe that the Bolt isn't a compliance car are fooling themselves.

People who think the Bolt is a "compliance car" have zero understanding of the term or meaning of "compliance car".

Here we go again :roll:

 

[devbolt]

GM is leaving money on the table by not producing enough vehicles to meet demand in at least some markets. I don't know how widespread that problem is in the US, but it's certainly a huge factor in foreign sales.

It's not a production problem. On the contrary, GM is limiting their losses by restricting the number of Bolts they ship outside of CARB markets while inventory on dealer lots in CARB states continues to rise. Make no mistake, GM is producing just "enough" EV's - to keep truck and SUV sales flowing. The credits are everything. People that really believe that the Bolt isn't a compliance car are fooling themselves.

Can you define for me what you consider to be a compliance car? Because the traditional definition doesn't seem to apply to the Bolt. The car is available outside of CARB states (available nationwide next month), you can purchase or lease it, and the number of Bolts sold so far are way in excess of what is necessary to satisfy CARB ZEV requirements.

 

[SparkE]

I will start deleting posts about "Compliance" on this "June sales numbers" thread . If anybody wishes to discuss, start (yet another) thread on the topic - let's not derail this thread about June sales numbers.

I'm not claiming you can't talk about it - just that one should do so in it's own thread.

 

[marshallinwa]

I believe word-of-mouth is what is going to sell the Bolt. However, when you have a large number of early adopters, like me, who think the front seats stink, that not the response that is going to sell Bolts.

 

[oilerlord]

I will start deleting posts about "Compliance" on this "June sales numbers" thread . If anybody wishes to discuss, start (yet another) thread on the topic - let's not derail this thread about June sales numbers.

I'm not claiming you can't talk about it - just that one should do so in it's own thread.

Fair enough. I've resurrected the old compliance thread from November 2016. I don't think anyone back then would have guessed that six months into 2017 - only 7600 Bolts would be sold in the US.

 

[SeanNelson]

The car is available outside of CARB states (available nationwide next month), you can purchase or lease it, and the number of Bolts sold so far are way in excess of what is necessary to satisfy CARB ZEV requirements.

It's available, but why aren't they producing enough to meet demand in some markets? It is a puzzlement.

 

[oilerlord]

It's available, but why aren't they producing enough to meet demand in some markets? It is a puzzlement.

GM is producing enough to meet demand. A quick search returns ~6000 for sale.

Read between the lines.

 

[dandrewk]

It's available, but why aren't they producing enough to meet demand in some markets? It is a puzzlement.

GM is producing enough to meet demand. A quick search returns ~6000 for sale.

Read between the lines.

No reading needed, as that "number" is about as useful as Elon's Bolt sales predictions. Any time a dealer orders a car, it shows up in their "inventory", even though it can be months before they receive their allotment. Anyone who has gone to a dealership claiming "but... but... your website -says- you have this car...." will attest.

It is absurd to attempt to project anything based on sales from about a dozen states after a few months of a ground breaking car that isn't even being advertised yet (aside from a few print/radio ads).

I guess the question is... WHY are you cherry picking non-stats and assuming the worst? Does you user name (OILERlord) have relevance? Or perhaps living in Alberta, the oil sands capital of the planet? No offense, just wondering...

 

[devbolt]

The car is available outside of CARB states (available nationwide next month), you can purchase or lease it, and the number of Bolts sold so far are way in excess of what is necessary to satisfy CARB ZEV requirements.

It's available, but why aren't they producing enough to meet demand in some markets? It is a puzzlement.

I think the actual question is why aren't they making the inventory available in those markets. They obviously have the production capabilities.

I see nearly 2000 being available within 500 miles of New York. But the Midwest is clearly lacking since there's only 200 or so available within 500 miles of Chicago. Texas seems to have all 24 within 500 miles of Houston, but Texas only started receiving inventory in June and wasn't slated to get them until August.

 

[oilerlord]

It is absurd to attempt to project anything based on sales from about a dozen states after a few months of a ground breaking car that isn't even being advertised yet (aside from a few print/radio ads).

Tesla doesn't seem to have a problem taking 400,000+ deposits on a car that is little more than vaporware. No advertising required. If the Bolt was going to change the game, it would have happened by now. The Bolt is a ground-breaking car that apparently few care about. The sales (and surplus dealer inventory) speak for themselves.

I guess the question is... WHY are you cherry picking non-stats and assuming the worst? Does you user name (OILERlord) have relevance? Or perhaps living in Alberta, the oil sands capital of the planet? No offense, just wondering...

If carsdotcom showed only 6 Bolts available for sale, or insideev's quoted 20,000 Bolts sold mid-way through the year - would those suddenly become "true" stats only because they confirm your bias? I make no claim to the accuracy of the sales and inventory numbers, only that they indicate the Bolt isn't exactly a sales success for reasons we are free to discuss in this thread. The reader is welcome to interpret those stats as they wish. If you choose to dispute them, or believe they are inaccurate, take your arguments to those respective sites.

Yup, I live in Alberta - no "offense" taken (and really, why would I be offended?). I'm proud of it. Our oil helps keep America moving. Here's another "non-stat" for you:

On behalf of all Albertans, thank you for your business. We appreciate it.

 

[ScooterCT]

Last month I chatted with an EV specialist at an RI dealership with 100 Bolts on the lot at that time. Not in transit, on the lot. I walked and looked. This dealership was all-in with EVs. They were a volume dealership. They told me they could get all the allocation they wanted. They planned to sell hundreds and hundreds of Bolts in their urban market (RI is a tiny state where a 50 mile trip is something you boast about at parties).

Then I talked with a smaller dealership here in CT. They got what they were allocated, not a car more, and it was a handful of Bolts. They planned to keep only a few on the lot in fear they wouldn't sell. And in fact, after they sold everything they got the first two months, subsequent Bolts have been sitting unsold and lonely and unwanted. And we're a CARB state.

I also talked with one MA rural dealer who laughed at the idea they would ever have a Bolt on their lot. They would not order one for a customer. They would not accept one on allocation. They had no plans to supply a charger, etc. They literally laughed when I brought up an EV.

So there are three very different Bolt stories from real dealerships. When we talk Bolt sales, I think this reflects how complex the story is.

 

[alevek]

I believe word-of-mouth is what is going to sell the Bolt. However, when you have a large number of early adopters, like me, who think the front seats stink, that not the response that is going to sell Bolts.

I have no problems with front seats. Got several friends interested, they all love the cool tech like surround vision, front and rear camera views, rear mirror camera, Android auto connection, wireless charging, smooth driving feel, one pedal driving, blind spot warning in side mirrors, etc., etc....