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As if I really care what you think Michael1...lol. Just don't be so butthurt because you're wrong....have a nice day :D

Yes true but looks has taken a very very far back seat in EVs compared to regular vehicles. Now is the time for design and aesthetics to also shine with EV designs...there is absolutely no reason not to anymore.

I agree 100%. Everything you say there is correct and highlights the advantages EVs have over regular cars given everything else being equal. However my point is that if you want to really use the electric motor's potential over a wider range of speeds, gearing is necessary not only for...

For some reason people are hyper-critical of EVs. And frankly to be honest, there really hasn't been an outstandingly good looking EV to date. Not even the Tesla Model S is a stunner IMO and is looking very outdated now. As much as the article claims "buyers" only wanted "range and price and...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-12-19/the-chevy-bolt-is-the-ugly-car-of-the-very-near-future

Have you ever driven a Spark EV? How does it compare in acceleration if you have driven one of those before? For that matter, has anyone driven both of them and compared? I'm hoping it's not slower in mid-range than my Spark EV.

No wonder a 750+ HP Tesla gets pulled on at higher speeds than a car with 2/3rds it's power...yeah its the HP. Grab a physics book.

So you created an argument in your head, argued with yourself, created false statements that weren't made, and won your own argument? Yeah I guess it does hurt anything...your fantasy is strong for sure. You looked at an apple and you turned it into a pineapple lol...well done. And...

So no one has actually taken one home who is on this site?

Let's start hearing from the owners. Who has one? Pics? How's it drive? Handle? Quality? Etc....

Exactly. That's my point...it's a credits game not an actual loss on each car.

Yes exactly...which is precisely why what you said was complete rubbish. Power is power...delivery of it is what matters. Basic physics actually you don't even need to be Einstein to understand that.

So long as its quicker than my Spark EV I'm good. That thing has incredible mid-range performance due to tall gearing. It doesn't fall on its face after 60 for example...which comes in really handy on the freeways.

We're not debating what's bad or good. What is simply trying to be clarified here is the reason for the claimed $9000 "loss."

The rumor was that GM was losing money on each vehicle...not that they have to get green credits for the car. Who cares what Bob Lutz says anyway?

I already stated I'm not a fanboy of any car. I admire Tesla for what they have accomplished. GM would not being giving you anything other than another Volt if it wasn't for Tesla pushing the industry so much. I just find it amusing how GM fanboys like yourself here get all bent out of...

That's quite interesting...how do you go about asking for that because I honestly don't think most salesmen would even have a clue as to what that is. But come to think of it, my friend leased an i3 and put down $2800 down but he said he'll get it back...so I imagine that is what you are...

EVs need gearboxes to allow them to compete with regular vehicles at top end. This was bound to happen. It does add complexity but for performance, you can only do so much with a single gear ratio from 0-top speed.

Actually the $9000 loss GM claims on the Bolt is very misleading. They are losing money on not delivering enough EVs to offset the rest of their fleet emissions-wise. These are "green credits" costs and it has nothing to do with the loss on each vehicle. But they want to make it sound that...

Avoid cars with low residuals, high cap costs. Avoid high money factors. Michael is correct about the downpayment...GAP insurance does not recoup your money down. It just covers the cost of the vehicle in a total loss. Never settle for MSRP. Don't be one of those buyers who just has to have...